On Sunday, I participated in a the All Seasons blogfest. Joining that blogfest and posting on a Sunday are rare events for me, and to make it even more special, I wrote and published the post using Guttenberg – the new WordPress editor.
After my recent post about luddites, I should be shy about telling you that I’m not happy about making this change. I’m OK with change, but I don’t like this editor. I understand this editor, in fact I’ve been working with a very similar editor for several years while building and maintaining our company website. That site sits in a self-hosted WordPress cul-de-sac on the Internet, and the block editor has been easy to work with.
But I’m not telling stories on that site, and I’m not the only one creating content for that site. Much of what is published on that site is text I received in an email. Copy from email and paste into a text block is easy-peasy. If someone sends me a picture or an illustration, adding an image block is easier-peasier. But that’s not how I work with this site.
I write my posts in Microsoft Word. I store the drafts in Box, and I edit them on my laptop, or my iPad. I’ve occasionally edited a post on my iPhone. On most days (not Wednesdays) I print those posts and give them to my wife who corrects my grammar and steers me away from the things I’ve written in the heat of the moment, but probably shouldn’t say.
I made several attempts at using Guttenberg, but I didn’t like the fact that you have to switch to a Classic Block to indent – excuse me WordPress, people have been indenting text for centuries – and I wasn’t able to create a mosaic gallery of photos. Marian Allen told me, quite some time ago that they had added that option to the gallery. She posted examples. She told me where to look – friends like Marian are the best part of WordPress – all to no avail. I didn’t see what she saw, I couldn’t make it work.
Enter the Happiness Engineers. The problem was a few cookies on my laptop. Contact made. Problem solved. I still don’t like this editor, but I can use it, and since resistance is futile, I’m on-board. This brings me to Monday’s post and my one-liner – I know, I’ve already written 400 words! When the Editor checked my post Monday afternoon, she asked:
“Why didn’t you add any captions to your photos?”
“I did, ugh…”
“What?”
“The new WordPress editor needs the captions to be entered as Descriptions in order to show in the gallery”
“The new editor…am I being replaced?”
“No!, not that kind of editor – you are NOT being replaced!”
As I pasted this into Guttenberg, it made each line of dialog its own block. Six blocks. Five of which I had to convert to Classic blocks to indent, and one of which I had to center. Unfortunately, Gb didn’t give me the option to convert those blocks to Classic. So, I inserted a Classic block, cut and pasted the text into that block and deleted the other six. Yes, yes, I could have saved myself that trouble by pasting this post in in sections, into blocks, but I didn’t know that. I’ll do better tomorrow.
I can’t wait to write my story from the bar on Saturday. In any case, I think we can all agree, we’re keeping The Editor.
This post is part of Linda G. Hill’s fun weekly series One-Liner Wednesday. If you have a one-liner, I’d encourage you to join in on the fun. You can follow this link to participate and to see the one-liners from the other participants. I have just a few photos in the gallery, hopefully they have descriptions, but I think you have to click-into the gallery slide show to see them – I don’t like that either.
No Facilities 
I love the title. Using something because it is the only way provided to do something is one of the most frustrating aspects of Applications as a service.
Sadly the photo captions do not appear in the e-mail version or in the standard view. I hate when things don’t behave the same in all views :-(
Rest assured however that your travails with the editor are gratefully received by those of us who pick your blog posts out of the e-mail to read first when we hit the desk each day :-)
Les
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Aw, thank you so much. I will keep working on this, and I will continue to complain. I may go back to the old editor, because I miss having the captions show, and I hate forcing people into the slideshow if they’d rather just look at the collage. The worst point in the lifespan of an application is when people no longer have a good alternative.
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The Happiness Engineers? You are very kind. Sometimes it’s difficult making contact and even more difficult solving the problem. :D
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Ha ha – it is what they call themselves. Actually, I’m guessing somebody made them do that. This hasn’t been easy, but I feel like we’re making progress.
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I don’t see any captions either. And while I usually embrace new technology, I always despise applications changing midstream for no apparent reason. And I hate to say it, but I doubt anyone will click on each individual photo to see your descriptions….
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I miss the way the captions displayed if you hovered over. It seems the option is to have them laying over the images all the time (which I’d dumb). If you click on any image, it starts a slideshow where the captions are visible.
I don’t mind change, but they should release new software until it’s as good as what it’s replacing. Thanks!
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I haven’t used the new editor yet. At least I don’t think I have… when will they be forcing it on us?
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I think you have about a year. I read that by spring 2020, they will eliminate the “Classic” editor. I think I’m going to return to it, because the captions are too important (to me) to let them be ignored by a stupid (and easily repaired) technical decision.
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Maybe we should start a petition.
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I’m still not seeing any comments, unless I click on the image. I just hope WP will keep the old editor page for me – at this late stage in the game, I don’t feel like learning how to post all over again.
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Yeah, that’s the best I can do with this editor, make them available if you enter the slide show. I don’t like it, and, unless I’m missing something, I’m going back to the classic editor for tomorrow’s post.
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Since my process is quite different from yours, I haven’t experienced any of these problems. I find the new editor very easy to use – once I got over the shock of a blank screen.
I did however notice that your captions only appear when the gallery is opened – but that’s ok, because I always do that anyway 🙂
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Thanks Joanne. I appreciate your viewing the pictures. I fond writing in the new editor to be too confining. I like being able to compose the post and review it on paper (I know, old school) and I catch a lot of errors that way and I make notes to myself that are easier done on paper than on a screen. At least I know I can do this, but I think I’ll go back to the classic editor until I can’t.
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Hi Dan – oddly I clicked on a photo – and no captions … not sure about Joanne’s gallery – which obviously I don’t do. Ah well – WP and I parted company ten years ago … and as long as my basic methodology works I’ll stick with it. That ‘The Editor’ you really do need to keep on board and I know you will … have a good rest of the week – cheers Hilary
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Thanks Hilary. You have to click on one image to start a slideshow. On a laptop, the captions are slightly below the image. I’m not sure(yet) how they appear on other deices. I’m switching back for now.
Oh, and I’m keeping The Editor ;-)
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I’ve been contemplating a try at the Guttenberg editor, but your post has me taking a step back and re-thinking. I’m not at a place that I care to be frustrated by a new editor (not yours). I am a luddite at times, but only in the sense that I don’t like wasting a lot of time on a computer product when I simply want to write my stuff and get on with life. If you hear groans and curses coming from Wisconsin in a couple of months, you may know why…
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Thanks Mary. I hope they continue to work on this between now and the point where they just throw the switch. I’m going to put in a complaint, for all the good that will do. I really hope they can fix this. I don’t like fighting with technology.
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For me these kinds of changes are just so time consuming and I have so little of it to spare most days. I loathe spending hours doing what should take minures. Sigh. You need to give the real editor a raise! 😉Happy Wednesday. Maddie is thinking you need to spend that extra time with her too. 😀
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A raise? Don’t say that out loud, there won’t be money for Saturdays at the bar.
These things shouldn’t take this much time. I fail to understand why you would introduce a new editor without being able to mimic the features of the old one, that lots of people are using. But, we see that kind of behavior everywhere. They don’t care, because they don’t have to. It’s this or Blogspot, and I came here from there because it’s awful.
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Because they have a job to make something different. That is all. Sad. 😞
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uumm, blocks, gallery, building, site? Granted, confusion is a state I am all too familiar with but, say what? I write in word, paste in NEW POST and hit PUBLISH. And I am extremely happy WordPress! Please don’t make me change!
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Welcome to the club, Pam. We have until next year before the Classic Editor goes away for good. I’m hoping they can fix some of these issues before then.
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NO!NO!NO! I don’t want it to change.
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I’ll let them know :)
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Darn tootin’ MuMu’s beautiful! Guttenberg….makes me glad I am not a writer. If they ever start changing things about posting photos, I am in deep trouble…
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I know you have a soft spot for MuMu. These are some of the best photos I have of her. I think you will be safe, but I have to get those captions working before the birds start playing baseball in the park.
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Your bird captions are hilarious, Dan, so I hope they get things fixed for. WP has really messed around with so much stuff….Yes, little MuMu has a special place in my heart.
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She really appreciates that you call her “little” MuMu. Don’t tell her I said that.
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I haven’t tried Guttenberg yet. Now I want to less than ever! I usually type my first draft right on WordPress and make edits there.
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I’ve been using technology, writing reports, articles, speeches and oh so many lines of code, but I always start off-screen. My mind just works better when I can draw and doodle and make notes. I like to be able to print out a formatted draft for a final review (and that’s what I give the Editor). I don’t mind Guttenberg, in theory, but they should preserve the ability to do the things lots of people do now.
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Holy forking moly. I’ve not tried this new editor and did not understand a word you said about how to use it. I like what I have. How do I keep it? If this blockhead editor system is as confused and difficult as everyone says it is, I may not be blogging much longer. Honestly, why fix that which isn’t broken?
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You have until 2020, Ally. It’s much better than it was in November, when I first tried it. I hope they keep no making small changes. They just need to restore a few functions that (I know a lot) people use. I’m all for improvements, but not at the cost of features we liked.
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Reading today’s post makes me very happy that I don’t blog. Following some well-chosen blogs and commenting is about all I can handle! When I clicked on the slideshow the captions appeared, but I’m glad you mentioned in a previous comment that they would appear lower or I might’ve missed them.
Really like those reflection images. The conglomeration of wires is mind-boggling. I’d hate to be a bird having to negotiate through them.
MuMu gets cuter and cuter, and seems less camera shy. Hooray for us! And those squirrels sure haven’t forgotten where “the hand that feeds them” is!
And sweet Maddie apparently isn’t in the least disturbed by your technology problems. It’s nap time as usual with dad, WP be damned! :+)
🐾Ginger 🐾
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Thanks Ginger. I’m going to switch back for tomorrow’s post, because the captions are important on Thursday Doors. I hope I can make the folks at WordPress understand that.
I love reflections, and there seemed to be so much of an interplay with the shadows on the river and the reflections. I noticed later, that I had chosen a similar photo as my heading image on Facebook last year. Maybe it has something to do with the position of the sun.
This was one of the few times when MuMu wasn’t behind her gate. She worries about Maddie chasing her, but her gate was open because food was being delivered (yes, food is delivered to MuMu).
It’s a good thing for those squirrels that Maddie doesn’t mind sharing her yard. She was with me when I snapped that pic. They were getting awful close.
I hope this week is going well – up and over the hump :)
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I can caption photos in Gutenberg by editing the Gallery. Being unable to indent without making the text a quote is a pain and they should correct it! I also don’t like being unable to make one part of the block a different color from the rest. Sometimes I want a warning line to be in red without making it a separate block. Oh, Happiness Engineers….
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I can caption the photos, but the captions don’t show in the gallery. In the Classic editor, when you moved your mouse over the photos in the gallery, the captions appeared. They don’t in the new gallery, unless you leave them visible over top of the photo (which looks horrible). If you enter the caption as the Alt-Text, they stay on top of the photo. If you enter them as a Description, the appear under the photo, but only in the slideshow mode. If you just enter them as a Caption, I’m not sure you ever see them in a Tiled Gallery.
If you want to do the color thing, you have to change that block to a “Classic” block, or create a Classic block for that paragraph. You can also do that to indent.
I have found ways around most of what I want to do, but I can’t seem to crack the gallery captions. I’ll keep pestering the Happiness Engineers, but until they have an answer, or until I’m forced to change, I’m going back to the Classic editor.
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I found a plug-in that will do the single-word or single-line color! Now if we can just get the captions to work in the Gallery….
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Gorgeous photos but no captions … and no cranes. You should ask your Editor to check your temperature, make sure you’re okay. She really is irreplaceable. <3
You do know you can go back to the classic editor (in WordPress), right?
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Thanks Linda. The captions show, beneath the image, but only if you start a slideshow (click on any one). I know I need some cranes. I really have to get out more. I am moving back to the classic editor for tomorrow’s post. I came, I tried, I couldn’t make it work.
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Your determination is admirable. I’m still trying to figure out if I’m already using the dreaded editor but probably not since it keeps offering me an “easier” way to write my posts and I ignore them. This glitch on captions for photos showed up this week, though – ugh.
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I am trying to go with the flow Laura, but it’s taking too much time. I’m going back to the classic editor. I hope they get this fixed before we have no choice but to use it (2020).
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Dan, I gotcha covered. In Gut, can you click on a plus sign at the left of the block and choose a block? If so, choose Table. For each paragraph you want to indent, make a buncha columns, like seven or eight. Paste your paragraph you want to indent into the farthest right column of the table, and select it to align right. BOOM!
As for my adding color to a single word or line, I need a plug-in for that, which you don’t have the option of doing. Here’s hoping for more “granular” functionality in future releases!
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Thanks Marian. I thought about using a table, and that does work. For now, the ability to add a Classic Block (at least in hosted WordPress, lets me indent and change the color of bits of text. Do you not have that as an option? From what I’ve read, they are committed to keeping Classic Blocks available in Gb even after the kill off the Classic Editor.
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If they’re going to keep the Classic Block option, I’ll use it. I didn’t want to depend on it and not know how to do without it. Thanks!
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That’s what I read on the help forum. But there’s a lot of time between now and 2020. You could always edit the HTML for color. That isn’t too hard, but annoying if you use it a lot.
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I think this plug-in is going to work for that. Maybe there’s a caption plug-in….
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What I do is duplicate the captions both as Title and Caption so that they are visible both in normal view and in gallery. I wonder if that would work for you too. My theme makes it impossible to do a pretty mosaic gallery like yours any more. I wonder if I just can’t make it happen. Anyway, this block editor gets some getting used to it, but I do find it useful, especially when I wish to change the order of paragraphs, for example.
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I do the same, Manja. I copy the text into both fields, but neither appear when using the tiled mosaic (which I really like). My pictures are often irrelevant to the story, so I like having them at the end. in a pretty gallery. Thanks for the suggestions, I have to keep working at it, but for now (for Thursday Doors), I’m going back to the classic editor.
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WordPress is wonderful and I am sure they are very nice people, but there is something about that title that makes my skin crawl.
Me: You are to no longer call me your husband.
My Wife: Is this divorce? Goody, I get half your pension.
Me: No such luck. I am now a Happiness Partner.
My Wife: Does that mean you will remember to put things in the dryer after you wash them.
Me. Let’s not get carried away.
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Yeah, if someone charged my title to Happiness Engineer, I might quit, after I threw up on their shoes.
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I write my posts in BBEdit using Markdown, then convert that into HTML and add any extra formatting (style= parameters on the various tags), then I copy that into the old text editor. I can and have coded Markdown directly into the text editor and that works pretty well, too, though I don’t have as much control. I’ll keep using the old text editor until it disappears, and when that happens there’ll be a text-only solution. At least there’d better be…
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Gotta love a classic approach, John – good for you. As far as I can tell, you are able to edit in HTML in Guttenberg. How that changes as themes get on board with Gb, I only can guess. You can add your own CSS to the posts, and to your theme, if you have a premium subscription, but editing CSS is applied after the initial render, so there is often a delay. If you load my page, watch the banner. “No Facilities” shows up in a Titlest Golf Ball font at first, and then changes to the font I like. You can’t always see the change, but I notice it about 80% of the time. That’s because the only way I can change that font is with CSS.
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I’ve tried tinkering with the new editor and I just can’t see what makes this system better. Add the fact that it annoys me to no end when I have to spend time learning a new way to accomplish the same thing when the old way was just fine and you have a recipe for bringing out my Grumpy.
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You would think WordPress would know better than to make Norm grumpy!
I don’t mind change, but I’ve been writing and revising systems for over 40 years, and you don’t release version 2 until it does all the good stuff version 1 did…unless you’re WordPress. Thanks Norm.
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I disliked Gutenberg when I first used it. However, now I’ve given it time and read instructions and guides on how it works, not only do I find it easy to use, but it’s also saving me a lot of time when writing posts. For example, I love the fact that you create reusable blocks so you can use them in any post. Sure, it may only save a little bit of time, but it all adds up.
I create all my posts on Grammarly, and then cut and paste them over to the new editor. I like that you can adjust the sizes of images with a slider button, create sub-headings that stand out, and use different sizes of text. I’ve also found that none of my pingbacks fail to work (a problem I had a lot with the classic editor). It all goes a long way to making blog posts look a whole lot better and, sometimes, easier to read.
Like with anything, practice makes perfect. And I know that WordPress is also making Gutenberg even easier to use.
Since I’ve been using Guthenberg, I’ve reported a few bugs I’ve found with it. The Happiness Engineers dealt with them quickly.
Keep on using it, Dan. The more you use it, the more you’ll get used to how it works.
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Thanks Hugh. I have been using it. I gave it hard look after reading your last post about it and I really felt like I was at the point where I was ready to cut over for good. But, the problem with the captions is too big an issue for me.
I have a bunch of readers who really enjoy the photos (maybe more than my attempts at writing) and losing the captions, or making my readers jump through hoops to find them is a pain. I know I can choose other display methods, but I like the tiled images, I’ve gotten a lot of compliments on them, and I don’t see why they can’t fix it.
I will try working with the HEs on this, and I’ll gladly come back. At this point, it’s the only thing I don’t like, but I have to say, it’s a show-stopper for now.
There are benefits to Gb, and I respect that sometimes, big changes have to be made so that progress can continue, but given how many people I follow who use the mosaic galleries and the fact that it’s so hard to find the captions, I think they should be working hard on a fix,.
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I’m glad to hear you’re not giving up on it, Dan. I’ve read too many posts where people panic and give up straight away without so much as attempting to gave it time and to report bugs to WordPress.
It’s a shame about the captions not appearing, but I hope that WordPress can create a ‘workaround’ for you. I like the fact that Guthenberg embeds the images into a post. I think it gives blog posts a better look and feel.
Something I never liked about Gutenberg was that when creating a pingback, it did not show a list of your posts. When I highlighted this to WordPress, they got to work on it and made it possible. They were very thankful for the feedback from me. Now, when creating a Pingback, I can even search for posts so that I don’t have to scroll through a long list of them all.
Good luck.
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Thanks Hugh. Your post was a big help in getting me over the motivation hump. I’ll keep at this. If they don’t know it matters, they won’t fix it.
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I haven’t switched to the new editor. I like the classic one. The last time they changed it I couldn’t figure out how to schedule my posts and you came to my rescue and told me where to find that. Thank you again for that! Yes, the WP community is awesome! At least those that I follow are. 😃
I love your Pratt & Whitney building images, the power tower, and the kitties.
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Thanks Deborah. I’m pretty sure they will fix these issues, and Hugh’s right, they won’t if we don’t try and complain.
I’m glad you like the Pratt photos. I see that every morning, and I’ve tried to capture that image many times. I don’t know about you, but sometimes, I think the scene reminds me of something to the point that I see something that isn’t really there. I’ve never liked the images until I snapped these two.
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Yes, I totally understand that! I see things in my mind’s eye and try to capture that on film, but many times it’s just not there when I get home and look at my images.
You’re fortunate that this building is somewhere close enough to you that can photograph it again and again until you get the image you see.
There have been so many times I’ve only had one little bit of time at a place to try to get “the shot”. I’ve failed more times than I care to count.
Now that you have something you really like I would encourage you print them 8×10 or larger if you’d like. Times change and buildings can be torn down as we know. Perhaps print two and gift one to Pratt & Whitney? I wonder if they have one taken in low light like this one?
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That’s a good idea! Thanks. I have photos that I’ve tried to take while traveling that just didn’t come out right. I also had one of a bridge in a very curious fog. I thought it was going to be the best picture ever, and it was awful.
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Groan! Been there done that!
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Where do I find Gutenburg? Love the photos, Dan. I see the captions fine. They are quite low on the page so maybe they drop into some folk’s black area.
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Thanks John. The captions are well below the photos. If you are using WordPress.com, Guttenberg should now be the default for creating a new post and it is linked to the “Edit” option. There is a separate “Classic Edit” option that shows in my Admin panel’s post list. If you are self-hosting, I really don’t know, but I’m guessing Hugh and Marian could point you in the right direction – they both have been very helpful.
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I’m not self hosting so I think you answered my question. Thanks.
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I’m still using the Classic Editor and like it just fine. My layouts are pretty simple (just like I like them) and I don’t normally insert a lot of photos. I have read a very few bloggers (like Hugh) who extoll its virtues, but most don’t seem to like it very much. I guess I’ll stick with what I know until I’m dragged kicking and screaming into Gutenberg’s clutches. Hopefully by then they will have made it less buggy and more user-friendly.
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Thanks Janis. I will be reverting back to the Classic Editor at this point. I am going to try to resolve some of these issues with the good folks at WordPress, and if they can help me see what I’m missing, or fix the problem (as I see it), I’ll be back. I will report in when I have something new. I think the kicking and screaming starts in 2020.
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Goodness, you do a lot of prep for your posts -I do it immediately in draft on the computer. The day before I post it, I look for details or pics that need changed, and that’s it!
Have been thinking about converting to the Gutenberg, but no thanks, it sounds like more work! I thought it was interesting that wordpress chose that name from the first printing press of the Bible from Latin into German from Luther.’s translation.
Again I enjoyed you joining us for All Seasons, and had totally forgotten you were first on blogspot!
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Thanks. I don’t think of it as a lot of work, but it is the way I work. It’s how I do everything, so it just makes sense. I do like the name Guttenberg, but I don’t think they are keeping up with the comparison.
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Keep the way you work – it brings out a great and distinctive personal style:) Also, – hard to copy:)
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Thanks!
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MuMu is much beauty and Noooo, we’re not replacing The Editor! Good LOL tho :)
I don’t know what thingy I’m using. I think it stopped asking me to use the new thingy but maybe because it’s no longer an option and I just use it. Hard to say.
I would like to add that in JULY my one boss bought another software system that I desperately wish she would go live with, but other boss is afeart and honest to goodness, that’s the most un-Luddite thing I’ll ever say: Good Woman, make the new software go live!
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I think the “New Editor” they wanted us to use has been replaced by Guttenberg. So, if you’re not working with blocks, you’re using the Classic editor (not my classic, WordPress’s). I can sympathize with your situation at work. We have written systems that, when complete, sit on the shelf for months before being adopted.
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Oy!
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I think your post looks spectacular. You’re so brave to use the new editor. I haven’t tried it yet. Maybe I should? Maybe I’ll have to? Oh…no…I’m scared. But you did it, so I can, right?! Thanks for sharing your challenges and how you’ve overcome them so far.
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Thanks Shelley – I dropped back to the classic editor today (Thurs) because I hate the way Guttenberg handles the captions. I’ll be back, but not until they fix that (or prevent me from using the old one).
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Way to protest the stuff that doesn’t work! I wonder if anyone love Guttenberg? I haven’t read so yet. Like you, I’m holding out until I’m forced to change!
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You’ve got me looking at doors, and thinking “I should take a pic of that and send to Dan” to which my daughter responded “who’s Dan” because apparently I spoke instead of thought the words! I told her all about you and your many door pics as well as animal pics. She was more interested in the animal ones but I have yet to show them to her!
Hope you are well.
Fondly,
Elizabeth
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Thanks Elizabeth. I like the critters as much as the doors, especially the ones that live with us – they’re family.
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[…] so Dan, on Wednesday, over at NoFacilities.com plugged the idea in my head that I should try out the new editor […]
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OMG. Thanks for this post, Dan. I hadn’t noticed the message from WordPress on the lower right corner of a new blog post about the block editor until I read your post. Wow, that’s a wordy sentence. Anyway, I’m glad to hear the feedback about the new editor. I’m definitely not ready to make my life more complicated at this point in time. I’m going to happily keep using the old editor until they make me use the new one. :)
Donna
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You’re welcome Donna. I think they will get the kinks worked out of the new editor. I don’t think the Classic one disappears until next year.
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Glad to hear.
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I am stubbornly sticking with the classic editor. The new editor was supposed to make everything easier. Easy must be in the eye of the beholder. Did I read correctly that text blocks are limited in size?
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I haven’t read about a size limit but I wouldn’t be surprised.
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